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Jonny Nexus
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 Posted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:22 am Post subject: TALKING POINT: Green Ronin: Saviours or heretics? |
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The purpose of this thread is for Jamesians, and any interested non-Jamesians, to discuss the theological issues raised in the talking point article Green Ronin: Saviours or heretics?.
We want to hear your thoughts on the matter.
Yours,
Archbishop Nexus.
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Jonny Nexus
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:04 am Post subject: |
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I just nipped over to the Green Ronin forums and got this:
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Inevitably, at times like these, the fingers of suspicion will no doubt be pointed at us Jamesians, but we must stay firm. We know that we are a peaceful religion that is tolerant of non-believers - as the status of Malcolm the Unbeliever [Artefacts 7, Verses 9 to 19] shows us - but outsiders may not be so generous.
So if anyone feels that the problems with the Green Ronin forums might have anything to do with us then I search they search their own hearts.
Peace, and may James be with you.
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scimon
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As a newly found member (I believe I have been a believer for a long time I just didn't realise it) I think that James would prefer WFRP to be alive in some form than dead.
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Jonny Nexus
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:53 am Post subject: |
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| scimon wrote: | | As a newly found member (I believe I have been a believer for a long time I just didn't realise it) |
Welcome Brother Scimon!
| scimon wrote: | | I think that James would prefer WFRP to be alive in some form than dead. |
True. And it is probably significant that the WFRP was a work selected by the Prophet, rather than a work written by him:
"And he didst create Hogshead Publishing, and the license for Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay he didst acquire." [Creation 2, Verse 3]
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Ouroboros
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 11:57 am Post subject: |
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Might it not, on a theological level, be possible to have the best of both worlds? To applaud them as they burn? To burn them as they are applauded?
Prehaps the answer is to follow in the Prophet's footsteps and do as He did in the creation of the sixth relic. BURN. BURN. BURN. |
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Jonny Nexus
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| Ouroboros wrote: | Might it not, on a theological level, be possible to have the best of both worlds? To applaud them as they burn? To burn them as they are applauded?
Prehaps the answer is to follow in the Prophet's footsteps and do as He did in the creation of the sixth relic. BURN. BURN. BURN. |
Yes. That is a strong theological argument. If we turn to the book:
"And he didst rewrite. Men had worshipped the Enemy Within Campaign as believers worship Gods, but the Prophet knew it to be a false god; for he didst burn the barge that rail-roaded plot." [Creation 2, Verse 6]
"And the Prophet didst ask for a method that he might light the pages; and Malcolm the Unbeliever didst offer his cigarette lighter, and the Prophet didst light the pages." [Artefacts 7, Verse 12]
"This would probably have done the separation job better than simply torching the thing, but I realised it would be tricky to get the Odorous Piratical Sodomy table past Games Workshop's RPG licensing department. So arson it was." [Responses 1, Verse 12]
Those passages to clearly seem to indicate a theological basis for the philosophy of fire as a beneficial transforming mechanism.
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Ouroboros
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The Archbishop has shown us the Way. And the Way is Fire.
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evangelion
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Well having never read the "second edition" as they like to call it, I think it is my responability as a religious type to condem the strange and new. BURN!!!!!
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Robthesecond
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Hail brothers!
While I must applaud your devotion to all things flammable I believe that the second edition of the hallowed tome of WFRP is important nay essential to the continuation of our newly born faith!
For, as Bishop Nexus has already mentioned the prophet selected the game of WFRP to give life to the blessed hog. So rather than tampering with the work of the prophet, surely the Green Ronin are merely furthering the prophets goal of spreading WFRP across the roleplaying world?
I ask your guidance.
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Jonny Nexus
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| Robthesecond wrote: | Hail brothers!
While I must applaud your devotion to all things flammable I believe that the second edition of the hallowed tome of WFRP is important nay essential to the continuation of our newly born faith!
For, as Bishop Nexus has already mentioned the prophet selected the game of WFRP to give life to the blessed hog. So rather than tampering with the work of the prophet, surely the Green Ronin are merely furthering the prophets goal of spreading WFRP across the roleplaying world?
I ask your guidance. |
A good point. But I think it is perhaps telling that while the selection of WFRP is mentioned once in the good book, fire is mentioned several times.
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Robthesecond
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I bow to both your wisdom, and your dedication to actually referencing the great text O bishop.
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Ballscratch
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I quote the good book.
Creation 2, Verse 6.
"And he didst rewrite. Men had worshipped the Enemy Within Campaign as believers worship Gods, but the Prophet knew it to be a false god; for he didst burn the barge that rail-roaded plot."
The Prophet did burn the barge, for it did lay low the great course that was held before the players. In his rightous fire did he burn away the stagnation of the river life. His goal was not the glory of fame, but the furthering of the great roleplaying cause. It was not for the wonder and genius of the WFRP system that we praise the Prophet, for these where merely the tools with which was used to spread His word. Roleplaying has always been His goal.
Creation 5, Verse 1.
"And so the Prophet didst leave our roleplaying world, for we were not worthy of him."
Ye, there will come a time when the Prophet will walk freely amongst us once more. Like the wooden pyre the fuels a great blaze, WFRP Second Edition will provide the fuel for which He will absolve us of our sins, for we shall be worthy of His redemption. Upon this altar WFRP will arise, complete in it's orignal glory.
Response 1, Verse 25.
"Go on. Buy another barge. I'll fucking sink that one too."
WFRP Second Edition IS that barge. And the Prophet shall return, as will His fire. Have faith, my brothers.
Have faith.
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Jonny Nexus
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| Ballscratch wrote: | I quote the good book.
Creation 2, Verse 6.
"And he didst rewrite. Men had worshipped the Enemy Within Campaign as believers worship Gods, but the Prophet knew it to be a false god; for he didst burn the barge that rail-roaded plot."
The Prophet did burn the barge, for it did lay low the great course that was held before the players. In his rightous fire did he burn away the stagnation of the river life. His goal was not the glory of fame, but the furthering of the great roleplaying cause. It was not for the wonder and genius of the WFRP system that we praise the Prophet, for these where merely the tools with which was used to spread His word. Roleplaying has always been His goal.
Creation 5, Verse 1.
"And so the Prophet didst leave our roleplaying world, for we were not worthy of him."
Ye, there will come a time when the Prophet will walk freely amongst us once more. Like the wooden pyre the fuels a great blaze, WFRP Second Edition will provide the fuel for which He will absolve us of our sins, for we shall be worthy of His redemption. Upon this altar WFRP will arise, complete in it's orignal glory.
Response 1, Verse 25.
"Go on. Buy another barge. I'll fucking sink that one too."
WFRP Second Edition IS that barge. And the Prophet shall return, as will His fire. Have faith, my brothers.
Have faith. |
That's a very interesting theological argument. I especially like the idea that the barge (in particular the suggestion that we might buy another barge) is in fact a metaphor for the Prophet's challenge to us, and in a sense Green Ronin, to continue on his work.
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Responses 1, Verse 19.
"If you find yourself in a WFRP adventure and not knee-deep in shit then duck, because another load is past due."
I see this as a declaration of the continuance of the WFRP series, if not in His name then at least in some sense. When the great Hogshead did drop WFRP, it fell and was feared to be shattered, and the gamers found themselves without. This lack of material, the basis of that from which great adventures could spring, was a fearful time.
What is shit, if not that which mighty things can grow?
And what is the new-edition, if not another load of shit?
These questions, I leave to you.
EDIT:
A comparisson of the 1st and 2nd Editions.
http://www.rpg.net/reviews/archive/11/11242.phtml
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wolf99
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You are ignoring the fact here that none of the Prophet's works are being republished by the new Green Ronin 'Black Industries' group. They therefore deny access to the truth for believers shielding it behind a smoke-screen of lies they call the 'Second Edition'.
I think the parallels with the 'sacred feminine' are obvious. We know what Dan Brown really meant. |
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